What FIFA and the Rest of the World Can Learn From Norway's Equitable Pay Agreement
Article Link: https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/10/08/fifa-women-soccer-equal-pay-norway-gianni-infantinoDiscussion Question(s):
1) Why do you think it took so long to get equal pay for women's soccer?
2) Do you think Norway has stimualated a change that will start taking place in other Countries, such as the United States?
Womens soccer still does not have equal pay. There have been steps to even out the gap of pay but no complete equal pay has been accomplished even in Norway. Although Norway's mens soccer team agreed to give up portions of their pay to even the flat pay, the revenue from prize money still offsets this effort. Norway has made a good effort to set the example of equal pay globally but I do not believe it will be enough to make a global change. I believe this because humans are naturally greedy and would not be willing to sacrifice their paycheck to help another. If the mens team has more of a fanbase and is bringing in millions more in profit then they should be paid more.
ReplyDeleteWomen's soccer has always been looked down upon on the financial standpoint when comparing the sport to men's soccer. A big reason why this is so is that the payouts to each of the athlete's have a large gap in between them. The gap is so much so that a women's team that won the 2015 World Cup (USA) are getting payed less than the US mens national team that was knocked out in by Belgium in 2014. On paper, it should make more sense for the women to receive more income from their effort and success, but that is not the case. The payouts from the tournaments, media, and sponsorships deals for the men's teams are tens to hundreds of times larger than women's. The soccer world essentially relies on media and sponsorships to reel in revenue, so if the sponsorships are there, people will be payed accordingly. For Norway and their FA, they are setting an example on how to manage this pay gap, but there are numerous factors why it is difficult to do in other countries all over the world.
ReplyDeleteWomen's soccer still does not have equal pay. I think that it has took so long for this issue to come to light because for so long women have been discriminated against, and it was a norm for women to be lesser than men. However nowadays, women are fighting back for their rights and it is more of a norm for women to be equal to men. Despite the change that is being brought about, the pay situation in the US still doesn't make sense. The USWNT won the world cup and is still getting paid less than the men's national team. I think that Norway's efforts for equal PAY will definitely spark change in other countries, and once a few follow, more will too. In addition, if several countries make equal PAY, then there will be more pressure on FIFA to make the prize money equal as well. Overall, I think that this is just the beginning and that equal pay will be a norm in the future.
ReplyDeleteIn most nations, including the United States, women's soccer does not receive equal pay as the mens team. Steps have been taken to attempt to give women soccer players the same pay as men, but the pay is still not equal. I think this issue took so long to be resolved, and in some cases still exists, because the mens national team brings in significantly more money through TV deals and apparel sales than the women's team does. The players and the national team will want to use these funds to fund their own success. Remember, this was the Norwegian FA that wanted to do this, not a law or a new rule. I believe Norway might have stimulated a change but it's too early to tell. They say money talks, if both teams continue to benefit from the equal pay, not the players but the individual teams themselves, then we may start to see more of a change in similar countries. However, in big nations such as the U.S or in top tier soccer nations such as France, I think there is a lot more work to be done in the fight for equality because they will continue to pay the team that brings in the most money thought TV deals and memorabilia, and that's the mens team. What Norway has done is definetly a step in the right direction for equal pay, but sadly I believe a lot more has to be done to see bigger nations start to follow in Norway's footsteps.
ReplyDelete1) Why do you think it took so long to get equal pay for women's soccer?
ReplyDelete2) Do you think Norway has stimulated a change that will start taking place in other Countries, such as the United States?
Many teams, including the US team, still don't have equal pay. But, I think it took this long because people think of Men's soccer as bringing in more money, and so they think women should be payed less. Also, the men have a history of having the most popular sports but that is not always true. This creates a feeling of male superiority that shows in the player's paychecks.
I think that it will effect other teams because the Women make more money in viewership than the men (in US soccer) so it makes since for them to be payed at least as much as the men. In my opinion, their earnings should be a product of viewership. That is the fair thing to do and I think pay will move more toward this idea in the future. Justice will prevail in this ear of globalization and connection where the truth can easily manifest itself in law. If one country does it, it will get other thinking about what they should do, and I think the right thing is paying based on revenue brought in by the team/player.
It took so long for woman to get equal pay is the same answer as the reason that woman are still treated unfairly in most every aspect of the world unfortunately. Which is because based on nature, they are physically designed to be the gatherer and male being the hunter. And people haven't realized that we have evolved from that and now we are equals. And I believe that it has started change. Because just like the kneeling, people are just realizing that its a thing. I read somewhere else that now a us socccer team is kneeling.
ReplyDeleteI think women's soccer doesn't get equal pay mostly because there's less interest. People just don't get as excited to watch women's soccer as men's. There needs to be effort to increase popularity, then female players will get more money. I think that FIFA recognize that popularity and coverage are the main problem. The situation in Norway will probably lead to some progress. it will take time though. I don't think that things will get better fast. It will be slow, but at least we're moving in the right direction. The Norway teams definitely brought public attention, so we will see more effort to create change now.
ReplyDeleteIts taken to long for women soccer to get equal pay and it still has not happened. We all ask why it has taken this long but its because women issues are starting to come up again and it only took one girl and one team to stand up before every one stood up for what they believe in. But I believe that this has taken to long. the USA in known for equal rights or supposedly equal rights. But it was Norway that started this move meant and the mens team hopped right on board. I believe that its taken to long the women team won there world cup in 2014 and the US mens team got knocked off. So now that the Norway team started this movement more teams will be quick to follow.
ReplyDeleteIt's taken a very long time for people to submit to the facts and realize that in many aspects, women truly are treated more poorly than men. This is partially because people oppose change. Even though Norway's mens soccer team agreed to give up some of their pay, the women are still not being payed equally. Unfortunately, while Norway has clearly set a positive example for the world, I do not believe that the world will follow their suit, at least not immediately. People tend to act and do things that they already know how to do. Unfortunately, it is for this reason that I'm not sure as to when, if at all, the rest of the world will adopt the liberal thinking of Norway's soccer program.
ReplyDeleteI believe that it is about time that women in sports, not only soccer are shown equal respect and treatment. I think that it's a great step for equality for gender in sports that Norwegian Men's soccer team players have been giving a cut of their pay to the Women, who by the way have qualified for the world cup while the men havent, although it's a really small amount, the idea of it is right. I was pretty disappointed with the fact that there was such a big difference in the pay between the men/women world cup winners (30 million dollar difference), and since it's something so obvious, it's very unfortunate that nothing has changed. Now, the USA national team is not going to the 2018 WC, and the Women are consistently top 3 in the world, so the right thing to do for the USMNT is to take a path similar to Norway's MNT.
ReplyDeleteGetting equal pay for women in all sports has been a work in progress. In soccer there has been a lot of effort done by US women soccer players. Norway is definitely a start in the right direction, but I do not think this will change the rest of the world. Humans are a selfish and I do not think people in the US or other countries are going to do what the players in Norway did. I believe women should be getting paid the same as men in soccer, their sports are just as big with a huge fan base and bringing in a ton of money. They should be treated fairly.
ReplyDeleteI don’t think women are getting paid equally in women’s soccer in anywhere but Norway. I think it took so long because the men acquire so much more revenue compared to the women, the men are paid more because they earn more for the organization.
ReplyDeleteI do think this will start taking place in other countries because once one country does something, many other countries tend to do the same thing. I think the U.S. will start to give women equal pay because the U.S. women's team is a lot better than the Men’s team. The women's team won the World Cup in 2015, and the men’s team couldn’t even get in for the 2018 World Cup. The U.S. women’s team deserves equal income, or potentially more because the men’s players play on club teams, where they make a lot of money, whereas the women’s income for their club team is minimal.
On top of all of this, the Women’s Rights Movement is larger than ever today, and will keep getting larger. Between the Norway circumstances, and the Women’s Right’s Movement, I believe this will start spreading to other countries.
I believe it took a long time for women to get equal pay in soccer because of the false image of men being superior to women. But, equal pay is still not reality for many countries, including the United oStates. The men make a lot of money from TV deals and merchandise transactions, but the play is the most important. The men's team fails to win whereas the women's team relentlessly sees success by winning many games and making it far in tournament rounds. I believe that Norway has stimulated a change but this change may take a long time. This could be viewed as similar to the women's rights movement back in history, where they fought relentlessly for their cause and were able to gain ground and become more equal members of society. But, like the movement, this could take time to make change and time will tell.
ReplyDeleteI think it has taken so long for women to get equal pay in soccer because the sport has grown a lot over time. As womens soccer has gotten to more of a global stage people realized how unfairly paid they were. I think Norway has started a movement that will spread across other countries such as the U.S. because countries with good women's soccer programs will see that they should be paying their Women's teams equally. Teams with worse women's soccer teams might take longer because they haven't gotten to the global stage like other teams but eventually I think all countries will give equal pay.
ReplyDeleteI believe that there are multiple reasons for why the payment of women in sports has taken so long to equal that of men. The first being that since the beginning of sports, aka the first Olympics, people payed solely to watch men play a particular sport. So from that point on it became the standard for sports to be played only by men. Secondly, when women started to enter the sports scene, people weren't as interested in watching it, and surely not paying for it, so right off the bat female athletes were being payed less. Now that women's sports are starting to pick up speed, more people are coming out to watch the sports, and in turn they are being paid more. Norway making the call to give equitable payments to women soccer players is a big step in the right direction, and hopefully every country will follow in its shadow.
ReplyDelete1) Why do you think it took so long to get equal pay for women's soccer?
ReplyDeleteIt most likely took so long to get equal pay in women's soccer because of the money that is actually made from women's soccer vs men's soccer. Much more people watch men's soccer and thus, more people want to advertise with men's soccer. For this reason, men's soccer brings in more money. Women's soccer, however, does not bring in nearly as much. Because of the discrepancy, it makes it much harder to pay women the same amount as men because of how much money is available for each group. After a while, however, teams with the belief that the women should be paid equally because they are doing equal work have been working to create or have in place an artificial system where women's pay is a combination of actual earnings as well as a portion of the men's earnings. As far as why less people watch women's soccer, that is really not relevant because there is no way to force more people to watch women's soccer so that they bring in more money and the artificial system is not needed.
2) Do you think Norway has stimulated a change that will start taking place in other Countries, such as the United States?
No, I do not think that Norway has made a big enough change that will start taking place in other countries. As stated before, women's soccer teams simply do not make as much money as men's teams and the only way to fix this would be to force advertisers to also advertise with women's soccer, which is just not possible. Because women's teams bring in so much less money, teams would have to take money from the money earned by the men. And this really all depends on how the team owners view the issue. If the owner thinks it is fair for women to be making the money they are making because that is how much they brought in, then the team will not make an effort. However, if the team managers believe that women are doing equal work and thus should be paid equally, then other countries will change the pay. It really all depends on the social climate in a country and more specifically, the economic and social views of the team owners and managers.
I believe that it took so long for women to finally get equal pay because of the success of women's soccer compared to that of the men's. Women's soccer has not been around for nearly as long as men's soccer has, and this may be a reason why it has not been as successful. Because of the lack of success and popularity of the women's soccer, they may not have the money to equally pay male and female athletes equally. I believe that Norway has taken the right step, but this change will not be big enough to affect the other countries. In other countries, such as England, and Germany, the gap of profits from the men and women is even bigger, thus making it harder to even out pay for male and female athletes
ReplyDelete1.)I think that it took so long so long for Men and women to get paid equally in soccer because traditionally men's soccer has a bigger following. In reason years this has not been the case. Women's soccer continues to build a bigger following and in some countries women's soccer has a bigger following than mens soccer. Initially the main reason why women soccer players were not being paid equally to men is because they were not bringing in as much money to the team/nation. Now in countries like the United States the women's team is more popular than the men's team. The united states women's team deserves to be paid equal or more than the men's team pearlly based of their achievements in reason years.
ReplyDelete2.) I think that Norway has started a change in the soccer world. The fact that they changed their collective bargaining agreement shows the world that something needs to change and they are willing to be the first country to do it. I think that in the next few years we will see more changes to nations collective bargaining agreements. This is the first step in a long walk to equality. As I said up above I believe that the United States women's team should be paid more than the men's team because the women's team wins and the men's team doesn’t.